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Neoplatonic
The Six Enneads
Time and Eternity (9)
"A Number, a Measure, belonging to Movement?" This, at least, is plausible since Movement is a continuous thin; but let us consider. To begin with, we have the doubt which met us when we probed its identification with extent of Movement: is Time the measure of any and every Movement? Have we any means of calculating disconnected and lawless Movement? What number or measure would apply? What would be the principle of such a Measure? One Measure for movement slow and fast, for any and every movement: then that number and measure would be like the decade, by which we reckon horses and cows, or like some common standard for liquids and solids. If Time is this Kind of Measure, we learn, no doubt, of what objects it is a Measure- of Movements- but we are no nearer understanding what it is in itself. Or: we may take the decade and think of it, apart from the horses or cows, as a pure number; this gives us a measure which, even though not actually applied, has a definite nature. Is Time, perhaps, a Measure in this sense? No: to tell us no more of Time in itself than that it is such a number is merely to bring us back to the decade we have already rejected, or to some similar collective figure. If, on the other hand, Time is a Measure possessing a continuous extent of its own, it must have quantity, like a foot-rule; it must have magnitude: it will, clearly, be in the nature of a line traversing the path of Movement. But, itself thus sharing in the movement, how can it be a Measure of Movement? Why should the one of the two be the measure rather than the other? Besides an accompanying measure is more plausibly considered as a measure of the particular movement it accompanies than of Movement in general. Further, this entire discussion assumes continuous movement, since the accompanying principle; Time, is itself unbroken . The fact is that we are not to think of a measure outside and apart, but of a combined thing, a measured Movement, and we are to discover what measures it. Given a Movement measured, are we to suppose the measure to be a magnitude? If so, which of these two would be Time, the measured movement or the measuring magnitude? For Time must be either the movement measured by magnitude, or the measuring magnitude itself or something using the magnitude like a yard-stick to appraise the movement. In all three cases, as we have indicated, the application is scarcely plausible except where continuous movement is assumed: unless the Movement proceeds smoothly, and even unintermittently and as embracing the entire content of the moving object, great difficulties arise in the identification of Time with any kind of measure. Let us, then, suppose Time to be this "measured Movement," measured by quantity. Now the Movement if it is to be measured requires a measure outside itself; this was the only reason for raising the question of the accompanying measure. In exactly the same way the measuring magnitude, in turn, will require a measure, because only when the standard shows such and such an extension can the degree of movement be appraised. Time then will be, not the magnitude accompanying the Movement, but that numerical value by which the magnitude accompanying the Movement is estimated. But that number can be only the abstract figure which represents the magnitude, and it is difficult to see how an abstract figure can perform the act of measuring. And, supposing that we discover a way in which it can, we still have not Time, the measure, but a particular quantity of Time, not at all the same thing: Time means something very different from any definite period: before all question as to quantity is the question as to the thing of which a certain quantity is present. Time, we are told, is the number outside Movement and measuring it, like the tens applied to the reckoning of the horses and cows but not inherent in them: we are not told what this Number is; yet, applied or not, it must, like that decade, have some nature of its own. Or "it is that which accompanies a Movement and measures it by its successive stages"; but we are still left asking what this thing recording the stages may be. In any case, once a thing- whether by point or standard or any other means- measures succession, it must measure according to time: this number appraising movement degree by degree must, therefore, if it is to serve as a measure at all, be something dependent upon time and in contact with it: for, either, degree is spatial, merely- the beginning and end of the Stadium, for example- or in the only alternative, it is a pure matter of Time: the succession of early and late is stage of Time, Time ending upon a certain Now or Time beginning from a Now. Time, therefore, is something other than the mere number measuring Movement, whether Movement in general or any particular tract of Movement. Further: Why should the mere presence of a number give us Time- a number measuring or measured; for the same number may be either- if Time is not given us by the fact of Movement itself, the Movement which inevitably contains in itself a succession of stages? To make the number essential to Time is like saying that magnitude has not its full quantity unless we can estimate that quantity. Again, if Time is, admittedly, endless, how can number apply to it? Are we to take some portion of Time and find its numerical statement? That simply means that Time existed before number was applied to it. We may, therefore, very well think that it existed before the Soul or Mind that estimates it- if, indeed, it is not to be thought to take its origin from the Soul- for no measurement by anything is necessary to its existence; measured or not, it has the full extent of its being. And suppose it to be true that the Soul is the appraiser, using Magnitude as the measuring standard, how does this help us to the conception of Time?
Western Esoteric
The Secret Doctrine of the Rosicrucians
The Eternal Parent (11)
The following statement from a modern text book may serve to point to the difference between the conception of Pure Duration, and Time: "Pure...
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Zoroastrian
Chapter XXXIV (1)
Time was for twelve thousand years; and it says in revelation, that three thousand years was the duration of the spiritual state, where the creatures...
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Western Esoteric
Secret Teachings of All Ages
Pythagorean Mathematics (74)
Number is the term applied to all numerals and their combinations. (A strict interpretation of the term number by certain of the Pythagoreans...
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Western Esoteric
The Secret Doctrine of the Rosicrucians
The Seven Cosmic Principles (31)
The term "periodicity" so often employed in connection with the subject of Rhythm, means "state of occurring or recurring at fixed intervals of...
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Greek
Book VII (530)
No, he replied, such an idea would be ridiculous. And will not a true astronomer have the same feeling when he looks at the movements of the stars? Wi...
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Western Esoteric
Secret Teachings of All Ages
Pythagorean Mathematics (71)
Magnitude is divided into two parts--magnitude which is stationary and magnitude which is movable, the stationary pare having priority. Multitude is...
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Greek
Time and Celestial Bodies (43b)
Timaeus: so that the whole of the living creature was moved, but in such a random way that its progress was disorderly and irrational, since it...
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Western Esoteric
The Secret Doctrine of the Rosicrucians
The Seven Cosmic Principles (30)
In all Rhythm there is recurring motion, change, and activity; action or motion in opposite directions; alternations between the opposite poles of...
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Hermetic
Section XXXI (2)
So that it comes to pass, that both Eternity’s stability becometh moved, and Time’s mobility becometh stable. So may we ever hold that God Himself is ...
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Western Esoteric
The Secret Doctrine of the Rosicrucians
The Seven Cosmic Principles (28)
The Principle of Rhythm The Principle of Rhythm manifests that universal regular swing or time-beat which is apparent in all the manifested world, fro...
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Hermetic
Section XXX (2)
Now Time’s distinguished on the Earth by quality of air, by variation of its heat and cold; in Heaven by the returnings of the stars to the same...
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Hermetic
Chapter II: The Seven Hermetic Principles (3)
The Principle of Vibration "Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates." --The Kybalion. This Principle embodies the truth that "everything ...
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Christian Mysticism
Chapter XIV: Greek Plagiarism From the Hebrews. (60)
The comic poet Epicharmus speaks in the Republic clearly of the Word in the following terms: "The life of men needs calculation and number alone, And...
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Hermetic
Chapter XI: Rhythm (4)
Night follows day; and day night. The pendulum swings from Summer to Winter, and then back again. The corpuscles, atoms, molecules, and all masses of...
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Greek
Time and Celestial Bodies (38e)
Timaeus: the description, though but subsidiary, would prove a heavier task than the main argument which it subserves. Later on, perhaps, at our...
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Greek
Book VII (525)
Yes, in a very remarkable manner. Then this is knowledge of the kind for which we are seeking, having a double use, military and philosophical; for th...
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Western Esoteric
The Secret Doctrine of the Rosicrucians
The Eternal Parent (10)
The First Aphorism further states: "Time there was not: for Change had not begun." Here, again, is expressed another "hard saying" for the student...
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Greek
The Demiurge and World Soul (37d)
Timaeus: still more closely. Accordingly, seeing that that Model is an eternal Living Creature, He set about making this Universe, so far as He...
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Hindu
Book IV (33)
The series of transformations is divided into moments. When the series is completed, time gives place to duration.
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Christian Mysticism
Chapter XX: The True Gnostic Exercises Patience and Self - Restraint. (11)
And of things without life, plants, they say, are moved by transposition in order to growth, if we will concede to them that plants are without life. ...
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